Citation Queries

I'm putting this here as a separate page so that it doesn't get lost among the comments...
These are answers to questions I have been asked about citation following the library tutorial. Please feel free to ask more questions below and I will include answers here.

1a) What counts as an online source?
  • online primary sources (through reputable sites like Internet Medieval Sourcebook)
  • online journal articles
  • online books (eg. via the library)
  • online images (make sure you understand what they are/where & when they come from)

1b) What doesn't count as an online source?
  • Wikipedia
  • any secondary sources that are not peer reviewed (blogs, newspaper opinion, documentaries)
    • in fact, the peer review criterion also applies to secondary sources in print!


2) How should one cite information obtained from a citation in another source?
  • This is called secondary citation. In general I am not a fan. Where possible I expect you to go back to the original source. However, when absolutely necessary:
  • In your text indicate that you are making reference to an author whose work you haven't read, for example: Rodinelli, cited in Potts, describes the stages of a project... .1
    Then in your footnote, provide the details of the book you actually read (i.e. Potts). This reference should also then be listed in your bibliography.
3) How did I find a journal article published in the last 10 years on Carolingian Law using Search?
  • Advanced Search is your friend, Basic wont give you enough options
  • Log in using authcate ID to ensure you can see all subscription-only results
  • Set Publication Date to Last 10 years and Material Type to Articles
Use advanced options to define kay parameters before searching

  • Type 'carolingian law' into the top search box
  • Selecting 'title' as the search field will narrow results - perhaps too much for your needs? (In this case it gives only two results, whereas leaving the search field as 'any' gives over 600 which you then need to scroll through and evaluate for relevance.)
  • Remember that the key words might not be in the title: for example the article 'The Significance of the Carolingian Advocate' by Charles West is about law in this period, even though it doesn't mention law explicitly in the title.
4) Formatting advice on How to Add a Footnote and How to Double-space in Word documents has been added to the Essay Resources Toolbar.

5) Your bibliographyshould have separate subheadings for primary and secondary sources. Sort alphabetically within each section.

6) Some instructions about using Word for essays, inserting footnotes, etc.:
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12 comments:

Jess O. said...

hi, I was wondering how do you reference the bible??

medievaleurope said...

In MHRA, cite the Bible in a footnote using the form 'Book Chapter: Verse' like so:
Isaiah 22: 17.
II Corinthians 5: 13–15.


If, as in the Corinthians example, there are multiple books of the same name, the book number should be in Roman numerals. Chapter and verse numbers are always in Arabic numerals.

In your bibliography, but not the footnote, give the full details of the version you are using, whether it is online or print.

Jess O. said...

regarding Ibid -
The site linked to this page isn't specific about the use of Ibid, however, another site said that it should look like this:
1. Ibid., p.32.

I am unsure because of the full stop and the comma?

Jess O. said...

Also, is this the correct way to reference the bible:

7. The Bible, Genesis 2:15-3:20, New Revised, standard version (1993)

medievaleurope said...

The 'Ibid.' does indeed have both a full stop and a comma. This is beacuse:
1) it is an abbreviation of a longer word, ibidem (hence the full stop)
2) it is followed by more details of the same reference (hence the comma)

medievaleurope said...

In a footnote referencing the Bible - such as in your example - it would look like this:

7. Genesis 2:15-3:20

The bibliography entry would look something like this, depending on which bible you used:

Meeks, Wayne, and others, eds., The HarperCollins Study Bible, New Revised Standard Version, (New York: HarperCollins, 1993).

medievaleurope said...

As you can see from those examples: the actual book of the bible you quoted from doesn't need to be mentioned in the bibliography - it's considered kind of like the 'page number' information in other sources: it's only relevant on the page/or in the spot where you actually refer to it. In the bibliography, only the general publication details matter, and not the specifics of the cited part. Hopefully I've made that clear rather than more confusing!

Jess O. said...

my footnote was correct however, I was using an ancient thing that my mum had and I wasn't sure how to reference it. Then I found the same quote was mentioned in the purple book.. however that bible isn't reference in a bibliography form anywhere.. So I am very uncertain as to what to do..

my mums bible doesn't even have all the pages as some have been destroyed its that old.

medievaleurope said...

In situations like this you have two options. Chasing up another publication to get the reference from, or 'secondary referencing'. The former is preferable.

To get another version of the bible to quote, you could either pop into the Mattheson, or look online. There are loads of online Bibles, for example this one: BibleGateway which can show you the same text in all sorts of versions. You would cite it like this in the bibliography:

The Bible: New International Edition <http://www.biblegateway.com/> [accessed 26 April 2012].

(...depending, of course, on which edition you decided to search for text. i.e. you would replace 'New International Edition' with 'English Standard Version' or 'King James Version' or whatever you choose when searching.)

For secondary citation, (meaning when you cite something cited in another source) follow the advice in point (2) in the post above. In this case, however, I'd avoid that since Bibles should be easily available. (Really you should only use secondary citation when the original reference is impossible or impractical to access.)

medievaleurope said...

Hi all,
Just alerting you to the queries page where I have added some new information about using Word. Students in some of my classes needed advice on how to insert footnotes, etc., and it may also be useful to you!

medievaleurope said...

I've had a query about citing Black Death primary sources in the reader. This is a bit of an unusual situation because those final few primary sources in the reader have apparently been used in this unit for so many years that no one remembers the original publication details! (Whoops!) In this case, cite it using the format for a book chapter or section, where the "chapter" author and details relate to the primary text, and the "book" title and details relate to the reader itself. That's as close as you can get in this instance to the correct format.

medievaleurope said...

For material on DVD:
If it's a film, the reference should include, as a minimum, title, director, distributor, date, and format, e.g.:

The Grapes of Wrath, dir. by John Ford (20th Century Fox, 1940) [on DVD].

If it has a serial/product/recording number, it goes in the backets between the distributor and the year.

If it's a book or similar material published on DVD/CD-ROM, cite it as a normal book (or similar) and add "[on DVD]" or "[on CD]" after the round brackets, as above, and before any page reference.